I played my ball from the rough, hit a tree,
richoched into the cart I was sharing with another player (single stroke) which my playing partner had placed some 10 yards behind and to the right of where I played the shot.

Do I incur rule 19.2 or be spared under 19.3?

You are the proud owner of a 1 stroke penalty in either SP or MP (19-2).
Equipment Def/n: Note 2: When a golf cart is shared by two or more players, the cart and everything in it are deemed to be the equipment of one of the players sharing the cart.
If the cart is being moved by one of the players (or the partner of one of the players) sharing it, the cart and everything in it are deemed to be that player’s equipment. Otherwise, the cart and everything in it are deemed to be the equipment of the player sharing the cart whose ball (or whose partner’s ball) is involved.

As the event was a single stroke I suspect you have used the term playing partner when in fact he is a fellow competitor, as such he is not an “opponent” which is a match play term, as such 19-3 is not applicable.

I gathered as much but was unsure of how the motorised cart applied under this ruling, and yes the person sharing the cart was a fellow competitor as pointed out we were in a single stroke event.

Thanks

However I failed to mention that the card was signed without incuring the penalty and discussed later that evening – so I gather the final decision would be disqualification?

‘fraid so

I note you discussed it that evening…so if your score was lower than it should have been due to the penalty, but you didn’t know you had incurred the penalty until after the competition had closed, then you get away with it (34-1b iii).

Hi gus,

This may not necessarily be a penalty.
Rule 19.1

If a player’s ball in motion is accidentally deflected or stopped by any outside agency, it is a rub of the green, there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies, except:

a. If a player’s ball in motion after a stroke other than on the putting green comes to rest in or on any moving or animate outside agency, the ball must through the green or in a hazard be dropped, or on the putting green be placed, as near as possible to the spot directly under the place where the ball came to rest in or on the outside agency, but not nearer the hole, and

b. If a player’s ball in motion after a stroke on the putting green is deflected or stopped by, or comes to rest in or on, any moving or animate outside agency, except a worm, insect or the like, the stroke is canceled. The ball must be replaced and replayed.

If the ball is not immediately recoverable, another ball may be substituted.

As it was stroke play, the competitor and his equipment are classed as ‘outside agencies’.

See other post in this forum about being hit on green.

Thought this may also apply to this situation.

I maybe wrong though…..

The problem is that the cart is deemed to be part of his equipment. See thieftaker’s post above.

Rule 19-2 applies here, not 19-1.

Muntz has nailed it.
Brett FYI the def/n of “outside agency” includes:
.....In stroke play, an outside agency is any agency other than the competitor’s side, any caddie of the side, any ball played by the side at the hole being played or any equipment of the side…...

Ahhh!

I did say i could be wrong!

First rule in the book….always cover your arse!

Cheers boys,

Brett

Ok thats fine – I appreciate your assistance – thank you.

Next Q tho’, as the card is “disqualified” from the results can the players round be adjusted in accordance with the penalty and his handicap re-assessed?

Is a DQ is just like a No Score Recorded – you just bump up by 0.1?

A handicapper can do a score correction if matters come to light that mean a player’s handicap should be adjusted where it otherwise wouldn’t have been. Taking a penalty still means a stroke or two should be added to the scorecard.

On GolfLink, recording a DQ still requires a score to be entered, and will adjust a player’s handicap, either up or down. It is supposed to be used for “technical” disqualifications, such as failing to sign a card, signing for a wrong card, or writing a wrong handicap.

Recording a “No score, not approved” leaves the score field blank. It will send a player’s handicap out by 0.1 (because there is no score) and is used for situations where a player does not complete a designated round e.g. pulls out when they are not playing well, or for unlikeable weather even though the event itself is not suspended.

If you come in with, say, 42 Stableford points but are disqualified because you signed for a 5 on one hole when it should have been a 6, your handicap record should still show 41 points and a DQ, which would still adjust your handicap downwards. You should not be allowed to go out 0.1 with such a round.

Thanks to all who responded – very helpful and very much appreciated.