I am looking at buying a new set of golf clubs. there is a golf world down the road. Thinking of a package deal. I have seen some of their advertisements and there specials look pretty good.

I want new clubs bag and buggy. I am right hand play off 20 handicap. My 3 iron is pretty poor so maybe a hybrid. I can hit my current driver (which is just a cheap one) about 220. usually a bit left though. Maybe a stiff shaft???

what do you guys think?

Are they good? they are just close there is a drummonds a little bit further away.

The best investment you can make before you buy any golf clubs,Have a read of Tom Wishons book, “the search for the perfect golf club”. and trust me this book will save you alot of $$$$

Have a read of Tom Wishons book, “the search for the perfect golf club”.

Is this the holy grail we have all been looking for? Can Tom Wishon’s book not only save me money when I decide to purchase my next set of overpriced OEM clubs as well as repair the hole in the ozone layer and stop global warming. What chapter is world peace in? No offence Nigel, but man can you give us a rest from the Tom Wishon THING.

MO20, I would advise going to get a lesson and devise a stratergy with a golf pro on how to reduce your handicap by working on your fundamentals like grip, stance and posture. Without this I don’t care what set of clubs you get they are not going to help. Start working on your chipping and putting and see how many strokes you will take off your handicap by getting up and down instaed of taking 3 or 4 strokes from around the green.

Have a read of Tom Wishons book, “the search for the perfect golf club”.

Is this the holy grail we have all been looking for? Can Tom Wishon’s book not only save me money when I decide to purchase my next set of overpriced OEM clubs as well as repair the hole in the ozone layer and stop global warming. What chapter is world peace in? No offence Nigel, but man can you give us a rest from the Tom Wishon THING.

MO20, I would advise going to get a lesson and devise a stratergy with a golf pro on how to reduce your handicap by working on your fundamentals like grip, stance and posture. Without this I don’t care what set of clubs you get they are not going to help. Start working on your chipping and putting and see how many strokes you will take off your handicap by getting up and down instaed of taking 3 or 4 strokes from around the green.

NO!!!!! death to OEMs they are ruining the the game. Take a read yourself. There is a reason why it’s topping the sport book charts in the USA.By the way this is the golf equipment section. , i’m just talking about clubs and fitting.I think the leason section is in another forum.;-) Cheers though I hear what you are saying,Read the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the bookRead the book

Errr … what is OEM ? Its another TLA (three letter acronym) I don’t get. WTF. NFI.

Its Original Equipment Manufacturer

SJGC there is a search function on the site, I suggest you use it.

Also while we are on the subject, I think admin should introduce a sticky on common golf terminology (FAQ), the number of times someone asks the same question about various things which is, for the most part common knowledge should be for all to see. Don’t think that I am saying that the question is dumb, far from it, I know that the only dumb question is one that is never asked, but there should be a resource to help the less informed on such topics.

Sorry Nigel I don’t agree with you. OEMs aren’t ruining the game despite what you may think. They just do things differently that’s all. Not everyone wants to be fitted like a pro despite your protestations. Not everyone want’s to drive a custom built car either. That’s life. What book charts is Tom’s book topping?

MO20. What ever you decide to do make sure you hit the clubs outdoors (on course if possible). Hybrid 3 & 4 will save you more shots than not. botm’s advice on lessons & short game practice is sound & will take your game further sooner.

Sorry Nigel I don’t agree with you. OEMs aren’t ruining the game despite what you may think. They just do things differently that’s all. Not everyone wants to be fitted like a pro despite your protestations. Not everyone want’s to drive a custom built car either. That’s life. What book charts is Tom’s book topping?

MO20. What ever you decide to do make sure you hit the clubs outdoors (on course if possible). Hybrid 3 & 4 will save you more shots than not. botm’s advice on lessons & short game practice is sound & will take your game further sooner.

Your right tim, people should just keep swinging away with 45” drivers and one size fits all irons and putters, Fitting is just a waste of time. I wonder why the pros get there clubs custom fit?Selected as the 2005-06 Book of the Year by the International Network of Golf. The only thing that P.M.O tim is that the oems are claiming that they custom fit,putting a bloody after market shaft in a driver is not custom fitting.

Sorry Nigel I don’t agree with you. OEMs aren’t ruining the game despite what you may think. They just do things differently that’s all. Not everyone wants to be fitted like a pro despite your protestations. Not everyone want’s to drive a custom built car either. That’s life. What book charts is Tom’s book topping?

MO20. What ever you decide to do make sure you hit the clubs outdoors (on course if possible). Hybrid 3 & 4 will save you more shots than not. botm’s advice on lessons & short game practice is sound & will take your game further sooner.

Your right tim, people should just keep swinging away with 45” drivers and one size fits all irons and putters, Fitting is just a waste of time. I wonder why the pros get there clubs custom fit?Selected as the 2005-06 Book of the Year by the International Network of Golf. The only thing that P.M.O tim is that the oems are claiming that they custom fit,putting a bloody after market shaft in a driver is not custom fitting.

I didn’t say that the total fitting experience was a waste of time I just said it’s not for everybody. Horses for courses. Not every pro plays custom fitted gear either. To many golfers, having the option of several shafts to chose from is as high tech as they want to go when considering which clubs to buy. Heck, most guys should just practice more but that’s not going to happen anytime soon either.

I know Tom’s book was voted book of the year by one golf fraternity (ING) but that’s a long way from bestseller status.

I have been playing golf for over 20 years now and I must admit to not having my latest set fitted, this I regret. Even though I knew that I should get fitted I just bought off the shelf OEMs (impatience I suppose), I also had a lack of information on where I could get fitted and I hadn’t discovered ISG yet, so I took the lesser of two evils (the greater evil would have been going to a bad fitter).

If I had my time again I would definitely get fitted but I can’t stress how important seeing a decent fitter is. So why can’t OEMs be fitted at Drummonds or the House of Golf?

So why can’t OEMs be fitted at Drummonds or the House of Golf?

Cannot emphasize too much how important it is to at least try a few different shafts with equipment that you are going to buy, I am an older golfer and the best money I ever spent was to have a free fitting with the Henry Griffitts fitting cart. Comparing shafts it was obvious that I needed an A flex shaft. I did not have to buy a set from Henry Griffitts but it gave me a good indication on what to look for. I could have wasted hundreds of dollars by just going out and buying a set with regular or stiff shafts. Try and hit in the open rather than in a golf shop as well. Most club pros worth their salt should be able to give you guidance on what shaft suits you. Incidentally I do not use OEM clubs, preferring to build my own.

Cannot emphasize too much how important it is to at least try a few different shafts with equipment that you are going to buy, I am an older golfer and the best money I ever spent was to have a free fitting with the Henry Griffitts fitting cart. Comparing shafts it was obvious that I needed an A flex shaft. I did not have to buy a set from Henry Griffitts but it gave me a good indication on what to look for. I could have wasted hundreds of dollars by just going out and buying a set with regular or stiff shafts. Try and hit in the open rather than in a golf shop as well. Most club pros worth their salt should be able to give you guidance on what shaft suits you. Incidentally I do not use OEM clubs, preferring to build my own.

Pure golfer What brand of heads are you using.

So why can’t OEMs be fitted at Drummonds or the House of Golf?</P

MONEY

To be honest, clubfitting is not all that hard to get the basic right. The right set make up, right shaft, right lenght, right grip, right swingweight/moi, right lie and loft, its not all that hard to build your own, you have to ask your self, whos going to build the better club for you. Yourself, or some guy on a production line in china. If any one want to have a go at knocking up a couple of clubs, feel free to pop over to my shop, No money involed I can help you to get started. You can use my tools, books etc.

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Why can’t you move to Melbourne NigelO?

I’d like to learn more on the subject of clubfitting but I don’t know where to begin. ;-)

Why can’t you move to Melbourne NigelO?

I’d like to learn more on the subject of clubfitting but I don’t know where to begin. ;-)

Might be. My wife is a DR of eng, and her work is talking about moving her down there in the next year or two.So like always I tag along for the ride.Pity i’ve just turned the front of my yard in to a clubfitting shop. Try TWGT forum, Its a great place to start, lots of great info on clubfitting, and some of the best clubfitters are on that site all that time.Ask as many question on that site and you will alway get alot of thoughtful answers. There is a book called common sence clubfitting that came out last year, A class clubfitting book and up to date. About $60 worth every cent.

Why can’t you move to Melbourne NigelO?

I’d like to learn more on the subject of clubfitting but I don’t know where to begin. ;-)

Have you though about reading ‘The search for the Perfect Golf Club’ by Tom Wishon ;-)

Seriously though, It’s an area i’m interested in too – my only experiance of “club fitting” so far was a negative one. A guy at the local range when i lived back in the UK was a real arrogant t*sser who only booked you in for a 1 hour session and seemed to go something like this:-

Him: What are you after then? Me: A new 3 wood Him: Which one? Me: Don’t know really was hoping for a recommendation but a like this TM one and i tried the ping – what shaft should i have in it? Him:- Well we normally fit you for a 3 wood using a driver from the same company (in this case a TM burner). Cue lots of screwing around on the launch monitor and plenty of confusing and pseudo technical talk about shafts and strange metaphors about changing your wife for a new woman. Me: What about shaft length? People say a shorter driver helps accuracy. Him: Yes you can have it shorter if you want but that would a be a custom order and could take three months! Me: what do you recommend? Him: well…. Then we were interrupted by a knock at the door and it was his next “Customer” and it was the end of the session.

I walked away (Thank god there was no charge!) totally confused and i think the only thing i gained from the session was the measurement of driver club head speed which was coming in at about 110-114.

NigelO – I found your details on the clubmate website, I guess you predominantly make/fit Wishon clubs then. Do you carry any other component brands, KZG etc? I’m in Perth at the moment but will be moving to the Brisbane area in about a month’s time, I’m hoping to give my entire bag an overhaul as I’m pretty convinced that I’m not using optimum equipment. I’ve also seen the CGI website and there’s one called New Age Golf Solutions in Bundall who I found off the KZG website, any recommendations?

I play off 11 at the moment and because of Ebay I’m fast becoming an equipment ho who leaves a trail of clubs behind him like the man on the cover of that book….

Why can’t you move to Melbourne NigelO?

I’d like to learn more on the subject of clubfitting but I don’t know where to begin. ;-)

Might be. My wife is a DR of eng, and her work is talking about moving her down there in the next year or two.So like always I tag along for the ride.Pity i’ve just turned the front of my yard in to a clubfitting shop. Try TWGT forum, Its a great place to start, lots of great info on clubfitting, and some of the best clubfitters are on that site all that time.Ask as many question on that site and you will alway get alot of thoughtful answers. There is a book called common sence clubfitting that came out last year, A class clubfitting book and up to date. About $60 worth every cent.

Does this book have the answer on global warning? Nigel I agree that custom fitting is important but to say that OEM are ruining the game, come on! Without OEM’s you would not have the advancements in technology we have today. Not sure about Wishon, but from what I have seen alot of the clubs FITTERS use are OEM knockoff’s or should I say clones. It must also be stated that you have a vested interest in pushing this line as you have your own fitting business.

I can say that when I used to hear the term “fitting” I thought it was a complete toss. I bought an off the rack set of TM R7 irons with stock stiff shafts and grips in March.

My coach sad to me that he would check my lie angles, he did so and said that they were out, but didn’t want to touch them because of voiding my warranty. Anyway he got me thinking and paranoid about my irons, and due to the recommendation of dhgolf here on ISG, I took them to a place called Clubtech here in Melbourne.

I originally went in there just to check the lie angles and to reshaft a driver, but I spent over 2 hours in there and we performed a series of tests. After adjusting the lie anges for me, 1 deg flat, they then made a test club with my six iron. I hit it around 10 times with the my standard shaft and the marks on the carbon paper were all over the place, not one shot was perfectly replicated.

He then changed the shaft and I couldn’t believe what was to follow. Again I hit it around 10 times and there was an indentation the size of a 20 cent piece smack bang in the middle of the club…...

I really underistimated fitting and thought it was for the pro’s only. How wrong was I, it can help us all…...

I got fitted for irons and driver then bought of ebay, hybrids I bought two srixon AD ones after trying them. And putter wise I bought of ebay also just took a pot luck gamble on an Odysee putter because it looked cool :)..works fine

In saying that I hadnt played in 6 years so the gear had changed a fair bit so I did a lot of researching and talking to many golfers at our club and I have a mate who plays of 3 so he gave me advice also.

All I would suggest is you dont get all of your advice from one source and also stay away from retail chains as they will flog you anything. once you leave the store they dont care because they have your cash

Why can’t you move to Melbourne NigelO?

I’d like to learn more on the subject of clubfitting but I don’t know where to begin. ;)

Have you though about reading ‘The search for the Perfect Golf Club’ by Tom Wishon ;)

Seriously though, It’s an area i’m interested in too – my only experiance of “club fitting” so far was a negative one. A guy at the local range when i lived back in the UK was a real arrogant t*sser who only booked you in for a 1 hour session and seemed to go something like this:

Him: What are you after then? Me: A new 3 wood Him: Which one? Me: Don’t know really was hoping for a recommendation but a like this TM one and i tried the ping – what shaft should i have in it? Him: Well we normally fit you for a 3 wood using a driver from the same company (in this case a TM burner). Cue lots of screwing around on the launch monitor and plenty of confusing and pseudo technical talk about shafts and strange metaphors about changing your wife for a new woman. Me: What about shaft length? People say a shorter driver helps accuracy. Him: Yes you can have it shorter if you want but that would a be a custom order and could take three months! Me: what do you recommend? Him: well…. Then we were interrupted by a knock at the door and it was his next “Customer” and it was the end of the session.

I walked away (Thank god there was no charge!) totally confused and i think the only thing i gained from the session was the measurement of driver club head speed which was coming in at about 110-114.

NigelO – I found your details on the clubmate website, I guess you predominantly make/fit Wishon clubs then. Do you carry any other component brands, KZG etc? I’m in Perth at the moment but will be moving to the Brisbane area in about a month’s time, I’m hoping to give my entire bag an overhaul as I’m pretty convinced that I’m not using optimum equipment. I’ve also seen the CGI website and there’s one called New Age Golf Solutions in Bundall who I found off the KZG website, any recommendations?

I play off 11 at the moment and because of Ebay I’m fast becoming an equipment ho who leaves a trail of clubs behind him like the man on the cover of that book….

No I can get just about any thing you want.Tom is just one guy I work for.

Why can’t you move to Melbourne NigelO?

I’d like to learn more on the subject of clubfitting but I don’t know where to begin. ;-)

Might be. My wife is a DR of eng, and her work is talking about moving her down there in the next year or two.So like always I tag along for the ride.Pity i’ve just turned the front of my yard in to a clubfitting shop. Try TWGT forum, Its a great place to start, lots of great info on clubfitting, and some of the best clubfitters are on that site all that time.Ask as many question on that site and you will alway get alot of thoughtful answers. There is a book called common sence clubfitting that came out last year, A class clubfitting book and up to date. About $60 worth every cent.

Does this book have the answer on global warning? Nigel I agree that custom fitting is important but to say that OEM are ruining the game, come on! Without OEM’s you would not have the advancements in technology we have today. Not sure about Wishon, but from what I have seen alot of the clubs FITTERS use are OEM knockoff’s or should I say clones. It must also be stated that you have a vested interest in pushing this line as you have your own fitting business.

Sorry mate think if it wasn’t for guys like , jeff jackon, malby, Tom wishon,Dr. Jim Yeh you would not have the advancements in technology we have today. These guys are the true leaders,I’ve never used knock offs.I use only the highest quailty gear, and fit to the highest standard. My clubs are built to the higest standard and I take I lot of pride when I hand build them, and I never sell clubs that people don’t need or would use, I give a s#it about golfers and there game. I don’t give a s#it about sales as my income doesn’t depend on it.

It must also be stated that you have a vested interest in pushing this line as you have your own fitting business.

You don’t know me, if you did you would know that statment was false. I don’t care who gets what business, as long as people at least check out a good club fitter. Its just another option, I’m a honest person, If people want to come round just to have a look and see what real clubfitting is about, I don’t charge for that, and i’m happy to help any golfer out (isg member) with any questions they have. I spend alot of time doing stuff for free, because I enjoy clubfitting and love golf. So make your statment if you wish, but if you want to call up and have a chat about it, feel free.

NigelO,

I’ve noticed a common vibe to your posts and I for one believe your good intentions now but unfortunately there are people who will never trust that you are in it for the love and not the money (even though you stated otherwise on many occasions), it actually says a lot about them.

I can relate to this because I am in the same boat with my short to mid irons, when I post a problem I am having with my hitting distances on this site the majority think I am big noting myself but all I want is a possible fix. I did go to a pro to have my swing adjusted a couple of weeks ago but I am still having this issue on the course, my pw-7 iron are hitting too big but the rest of the clubs are fine. For an example, I was 150 mtrs away from the green on Sunday and I swung a full but soft 8 iron and flew the green by 10-15 mtrs (I must admit it was hit pure). This is a problem I have had for a couple of years and I have compensated by getting up and down 7 times out of 10 (rough estimate). Now it may turn out it’s an equipment issue or a swing issue which is something yet to determine.

In the end you post here at your own peril, especially with the new demographic of this forum.