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Where can I get tour gear from?
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Just for fun, I wouldn't mind picking up a tour issued driver - I remember seeing some for sale here from time to time. Anyone point me in the right direction? (if you've got something for sale, take it to the PM as I'm not trying to make a WTB ad here, just wanted to discuss the availability of tour stuff in Australia in general.) Not that I'm looking to buy a Superquad with Matrix shaft or anything that expensive, thinking maybe something along the lines of a TM R510/540/580 or something of that vintage. Cheers, Col
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Hit ebay mate... just look up tour issue. and look for tour serial numbers... Try and pick clubs that suit your swing. An R7 425 tour version is usually hittable by some better players.
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Don't get suckered in to the tour issue debate. If you are after a TM Driver just get yourself a TP driver of any model. DAVE
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this forum has heaps of tour gear http://golfwrx.com/forums/i...
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That is a MUCH better option. Why buy a club that has been customized for someone else.
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just a question...i see "TP" on some clubs is tour prefered (I think thats right) is that the same as ex tour or tour issue clyubs...or different...not that I am buying just curious
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Depends who you ask At BombSquadGolf, they'd have you believe tour stuff is crafted from special titaniums not known to mortals, and that each club is blessed by a shaved monk who they keep on staff in the tour van which makes the club swing true and straight every time. Others say that tour stuff is no different than off the rack gear, it's just set up for pro's, meaning that us hackers are just buying something that is guaranteed to make us slice more and not be able to get the ball more than 30 cm off the deck, plus it'll be fitted with a shaft as flexible as Dubya's foreign policy. Personally, I'd like to believe it's somewhere in the middle, but I'll wait till an expert weighs in and exposes my ignorance on the subject. Oh, and generally speaking, TP is not the same as tour-issued, though many tour issued TM clubs are TP-labelled. Cheers, Col
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At BSG they'll make you think their clubs are dipped in ambrosia before hitting the market. There is a lot of Tour gear there (pronounced "Overpriced and expensive").
There is a lot of that stuff locally though. A lot of forum users
already bring tour things into the country, so save yourself the
postage and stress and hunt the local forums
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Col the TP Construction, Metal and tooling is exactly the same, the following post is off the WRX site and was posted by Taylormade's Chief Technical Officer: TP is tour-issued . BSG is full of s**t. THE TRUTH Dr. Benoit Vincent is Taylormade's Chief Technical Officer Sean Toulan: Okay, I know there’s a lot of …#8220; believe me; we’re on the boards, all of the boards, every day. That means me, and Dr. Vincent, and everybody here in this room. So, let me just say this …#8220; that I am so appreciative of the service that these boards have given all of us in the game of golf, and I mean that very, very sincerely. Because for somebody like me, and the guys here in this room, for us to really get an accurate feel of the vibe of what’s going on in the marketplace is incredibly valuable. So, we definitely are on the boards to listen, we’re not on the boards to influence, we’re not on the boards to plant propaganda, we’re just there to listen to what real golfers are talking about with equipment, we’re the same way. The TP thing, I can tell you the TP concept was born because we listen to people like you guys on boards. And that was a very controversial thing, inside the company a few years ago when we launched the R510TP. There were all kinds of things about, gosh, should we talk about the club that Sergio plays isn’t exactly like the club that might be for sale in the public. To me, I’ve seen Sergio’s club, and I’m a pretty nice golfer, I can’t play Sergio Garcia’s driver, I hit it low, right, and about 180. I’m not going to play with that, but it isn’t so much Sergio’s driver, it’s the specs of Sergio’s driver. So, what we use the tour for is to develop new products, and to develop new technologies, and to validate these new technologies. If we can get Sergio Garcia, Retief Goosen, and Darren Clarke, to give us the two thumbs up, there’s a good chance the average golfer is going to like the idea. So, when we developed TP, TP is tour equipment. Is it the same metal …#8220; yes. Is it the same tooling …#8220; in most cases yes, and I’ll explain that in a second. Is it made from the same group of foundries and vendors …#8220; absolutely yes. So, I know there’s a lot of misinformation out there, when I said it’s the exact same tooling, in some case it is, and in some case it isn’t. What I mean by that is the products that we bring out under TP are the products that are most used on the PGA Tour. For instance, where that would vary is sometimes we do additional TP parts that may not come to the marketplace. When we did the original 510 TP driver, that one went into play and was incredibly successful. But we have players out there, Darren Clarke being one, that would have a hard time leaving a golf club to the right. Way more people hit it to the right and don’t like right and would rather have it left than people know Darren Clarke happens to be one of them. So we did another tool of the R510 TP that had a more heel-ward center of gravity, so for a player like a Darren Clarke, he could have that golf club go more to the left for him. That one we never brought to the marketplace, but we did have some on tour. So, we definitely will continue to prototype, and we’ve always done prototyping on the tour, some of those clubs come to market and some of them don’t. We did an R7 Quad HT, we did a 425 HT, the R7 Quad HT came to market and the R7 425 HT has not come to market. So, we use it, probably no different than Ferrari would use Formula 1 racing, you know, at the very highest level, we get constant feedback, some of that is directly applicable to the marketplace, and some is not so much.
Sean Toulan: Correct...Let me clarify one thing. We have two models, an R7 and an R7 TP, but they’re completely different spec packages, right? One has a lot of offset, and the lofts are a little stronger, and the blades are bigger, and then we have another one called R7 TP, and then we actually have a third one called R7 Draw, so there isn’t a tour version of any of those clubs, they’re all the same. Of those three R7 Draw, R7 TP, and R7; the R7 TP and R7 are both on Tour. Dr. Benoit Vincent: Let me answer that question, not from the marketing side, but from the production side, as I’m also in charge of making every single of those. I can guarantee that the head that are used by our tour department to assemble golf clubs for the tour players are the exact same heads that are used in the production line to assemble the R7 TP iron. They are the exact same. When they run out of inventory in the tour department, they just pick some in the shelf of the commercial department. And it’s the same thing for the Superquad TP; it’s the exact same product. Now, to Sean’s point, they’re going to equip them with an X shaft, and they’re going to bend them one or two degrees here or there, that’s for sure, but that’s a classical fitting aspect and that’s what we offer in custom, through our custom service. So you can get, if you really need an X shaft, very heavy, then you can get it because in stock we wouldn’t put that shaft in.
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I read that article too, Toad must have been spewing.
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He generally is whenever someone contradicts his worldview, especially when they've got more credibility on the subject than him (read: Tom Wishon). However, I've seen pics of some TM tour issue heads that looked much cleaner in build than the retail stuff I've seen, so I still reckon there's some differences somewhere, even if it's just that they had certain heads built at a different foundry or that they're proto heads with different finishing or something. I guess it's one of those thing that I'm not going to know for sure unless I hit one for myself. Col
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Just to throw my hat into the ring on this one. I believe that that vast majority of equipment used in professional golf is identical to that available through retail, whether that be TP or not. The elite players (say top-50) are usually the flagships for their respective sponsors so what people see them using on TV is what they want. All the gear for these players is customised to their very specific needs (moreso then the rest), some of it will be the same as retail, others will be prototypes (which may or may not be released to the public at some future date)
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what a good response - thnx for posting it My response would have been to simply contact TM and ask them outright Most professionals involved in golf (in any capacity) are only too willing to share knowledge as they generally have and affinity with the essence of golf
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Don't bother with "Tour" clubs, especially the stupidly overpriced ones. I have got a 983K that I won in a competition on Paul Casey's website when he was with Titleist. It is a "tour" driver because I went to a practice day at Wentworth to collect it from him and it had been made up on the Titleist tour van. Problem was, I hadn't been fitted for it, and there clearly hadn't been any magic "tour" pixie dust sprinkled on it because I have always struggled to hit it well. It is a lovely driver head, great sound and feel when it is hit well, but there is nothing magic about it. As far as I am concerned, the best golf equipment that you can possibly get is a set of clubs that have been fitted to you. I have finally got to the point where I am going to do exactly that because all I want to do is to lower my handicap and win competitions at my club. There are various people on here that are experienced in the black art of club building, Ben and Vman are 2 I know personally, who can tell you about the benefits of fitted equipment much better than I can. Bottom line, "Tour Issued" means nothing more than expensive golf clubs that almost certainly will make no difference to your game.
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I think it depends on the brand... I have a couple of tour clubs. R540XD TP with a Speeder 757 shaft and a Big Bertha 04 strong 3 wood with an Nv85X. The 540xd was never released to retail for some reason,Ibought it off Ebay about 2 years ago for $300.It would be the heaviest driver I've ever owned.Very nice club The Bertha is so different from the retail model it's not funny...Heavier head,open face angle.It feels totally different to the retail model. I've also hit a "Tour" R510tp and to be honest I couldn't tell any difference to the retail tp .Again it was heavier.
I personally think the only difference between TP and
"Tour" is weight and face angle.
This argument could go on forever...
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That pixie dust sounds mighty tempting...
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