Wow look at that a golf pro using a 11.5 lofted driver.

Heads up people this is the thruth about driver loft fitting

Wow look at that a golf pro using a 11.5 lofted driver.

Heads up people this is the thruth about driver loft fitting

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What is the loft on your driver, 14* ?

11* 919thi, V2 reg tipped 1.5’, 43.75 long, swing weight @d5, dual GP three wraps under the bottom hand.
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I hate lob wedge club

I hate lob wedge club

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Wow look at that a golf pro using a 11.5 lofted driver.

Heads up people this is the thruth about driver loft fitting

Watch out typos + poor grammar.

Member number one of IHLWC

What is the loft on your driver, 14* ?

Its hard to miss the fairway with a 14.

The most beneficial aspect of the article for me was seeing that with my swing speed, the maximum carry I can expect is 221m. I get that now so I can stop worrying about how to increase it.

Its hard to miss the fairway with a 14.

You would think so 8-), not the way I used to hit it.

So do we hit up, down or level with the driver ?

Up – unless you or your pro / coach / fitter knows better.

Is a ± 5 degree quite a common number?

The loft recommendations still seem quite surprising. Since I use a 9 deg and have tried a 10.5 to get similar results. But increase the loft to 11.5 (same club) and i’m losing substantial distance. Yet going by that chart I should be carrying a 12+ deg.

You never ever ever hit up deliberately!!! You swing down plane.

If the ball is positioned in front of low point then you are still swinging down plane and catch the ball on the up….which is very very different from hitting UP.

Generally speaking we wish to hit down on the ball to allow the clubs loft to do its job rather than ‘create’ loft.

Knowing how a player actually swings into impact will give a fitter a great deal of ammo to work out what loft will give the best dynamic loft (actual ball flight) to the player.

For example, someone who scoops at the ball with a flattening right wrist into impact will always hit a higher ball than a more highly tuned Flat Let Wrist player. A hooker may well need more loft to get the ball up better.

If the ball is positioned in front of low point then you are still swinging down plane and catch the ball on the up….which is very very different from hitting UP.

bi0 – please, please, please do not post in this thread until Guru and I have worked out our semantic differences.

If the ball is positioned in front of low point then you are still swinging down plane and catch the ball on the up….which is very very different from hitting UP.

You’ve said this before Guru on page 5 of the Launch Angle Issues thread and you didn’t answer me when I asked you to clarify.
In my mind, impact after the low point IS hitting UP. You’re saying this should be referred to as down plane – quite possibly to counter a common tendency for people to scoop when they intend to “hit up”. Is that right? If so – wouldn’t a better solution be to tell people to hit up, but don’t scoop – rather than contradict a logical extension of the definitions of up and down.

You have my drift perfectly. Getting people not to scoop is the hardest thing in golf when the ball is sitting pretty on a tee and they know they have read that loft is good. People can scoop from way behind low point hence the need to define it more clearly.

Hitting up in this forum means a scoop motion (bending left wrist) to keep it all the same.

Hitting up in this forum means a scoop motion (bending left wrist) to keep it all the same.

TGM 2-J-2 defines hitting up as

the ball is struck before the low point with an upstroke motion

The ball should always be struck prior to the low point of the Down-stroke, even when using a Driver

Homer didn’t believe in it because he didn’t have access to launch monitors – but as a result, the TGM terminology has a flaw which goes against human reasoning. (not to mention other non-TGM pro’s, sites magazines etc referring to a positive angle of attack as ‘hitting up’)
Maybe you can’t get TGM revised – but you could choose to correct one of Homer’s rare oversights in this forum.

Whats the best what to diagnose yourself as to whether you attack from up or down or level?

Yep that first quote there sums up the Hitting Up motion we refer too in here, the breaking of the FLW. Either side of low point that stands for the same motion. Homer did not like the ball in front of low point for clubface control issues. I think he would have loved LMs.

If you hit it post low point the club HAS to be going UP unless your body is collapsing and we all know that is not a good look.

What has happened to raise confusion in language is as always another part of the golf industry has decided to call a part of the curve up or down, positive just meaning more launch angle than on the face, negative less, level the same. There is nothing wrong with that description either. What leads to confusion is what causes hitting up and how people then go out to try to Hit Up without paying attention to swinging down plane anymore and they throw their hands at the ball with a scoop.

I watched someone do this just this afternoon and asked why they were doing that. “cause I read I need to hit up to get the ball more in the air”. They had not moved their ball forward in their stance and just scooped at it off a higher tee.

What has happened to raise confusion in language is as always another part of the golf industry has decided to call a part of the curve up or down

And – more specifically, it does seem to be a part of the golf industry that refers to it as “not up but downplane”

Please tell me again where the confusion comes from, I’m confused.

The nebulous golf “industry” sees someone hitting the ball off the tee in the up part of the curve. I too can see the difference between up an down geometrically:)

However much of the golfing “public” gets confused and hits up on the ball via scoop having heard that info. So they need to be educated as to what a scoop (method of adding loft) does in reality and why the scoop aka hitting up is bad.

Using a LM you can show a scoop vs a hit down on plane past low point (ie on the up part of the curve) and see the difference in distance attained without the scoop motion.

So Hit it On the Up = swing down plane past low point = OK
Hit Up on it = room to think I need to hit up aka scoop = Bad

The industry itself is very broad. There are number crunchers out there who just see figures produced not knowing how they were generated by the swing action and type.

Now since you have the book, consider how the LM results would show up if you swapped a Horizontal Hinge for a Vertical Hinge action. No Hit Up on it there.

I really don’t see how just changing the loft can be the solution to launch angle. For example:
Not too long ago I went to a mixed manufacturer Demo day.
I tried a 9.5 from each of Calloway(FT5 & FTI), Cobra (M-Speed), Mizuno, Ping (Rapture) and Taylor Made(R7 and Burner).
I used what I felt was the same swing with each and hit about 10-12 shots with each but although they all went within about 20 metres of each other (~210m – 230m) but the height they flew varied greatly. This difference in height despite them all having a regular shaft and 9.5.
To get the same launch angle I would have had to have a different loft depending on the manufacturer.

thevon…here are a few other factors to look at.

1. Clubhead design can have some effect, the more rearward and lowed COG will give a higher lauch.

2 Depending on your swing the shaft can add some loft at impact.

3. If you hit higher on the face there is more loft due to clubface roll.

4. The number on the bottom of the club may not reflect the actual loft of the club.