Just thought I would post a few thoughts I have after trying out the Vision UV Yellow and XPert2 balls.

UV Yellow: Off the club face they felt soft… almost marshmallow soft. softer than any ball I had tried before. Off the 3 wood they felt mushy, off irons they felt mushy and felt soft off the putter face.

Distance wise these were top notch, the balls flew and compared to my regular AD333 or Titleist V1X probably a bit further to be honest!

Greenside, the balls were OK nothing spectacular, not drop and stop, same as AD333, plenty of roll on.

The best thing about these balls are they are so easy to see, you cannot miss them my ball was confined to teh fairway but you could see it from a mile away and I through it into the trees after a hole and it was very very easy to see in teh rough and the trees

XPERT2: This is soft, really soft again, nice feel though not quite as mushy as teh UV Yellow. I preferred this ball as around the greens it was more responsive and it stopped nicely.

Great distance with this ball as well

Verdict: Is it enough to switch??? well yes if I was regularly using the AD333, I could get used to the mushy feel of the UV Yellow. Especially as they are easier to find and flyer longer and straighter.

Titliest V1X vs XPERT2… thats a tough call. Jury is stil out on this one… I will tell you after tomorrows round of golf….

That mush is the feeling of compression working well. The greens I find the same as you around the greens and I would add predictable in there from my own use.

Xpert 2 I would put up against the ProV1s as opposed to the ProV1X’s. Xs you have to he a real hard hitter to get the best out of vs a standard V. Xpert will spin more for less swing speed merchants.

Great feedback for The Boz.

Thanks guys I really appreciate it. The interesting thing is we are
only going to get better, as the feedback I have been getting is
already being put into the R&D effort for our 2008 models.

It’s nice to be bright! :-)

Guru,
I’d say you ron the money there ” predictable”, I had a round of p ‘n’ p, with chipping around the green, I new what it was going to do, chip land and roll on. Made chipping a lot easier, you new what the ball was going to do. From 60 meters out the ball would drop and stop, pitching 30-50 bounce 2 – 3 times then stop.

Hi Nige,

I can’t understand why players want to try and back up shots,
there is no consistancy or control on over spinning tour balls
that start going backwards after landing..

My theory is that a ball that has a marginal but consistent
amount of release will go in the hole more times than a ball
is thrown up to the pin with the intention of stopping on a spot.

lol…. u don’t play on hard or fast greens do u?

Boz…....”backing up a ball on a green” (Tour Balls) is…..

1. Heaps of fun and as dpac has said, they help on hard/fast greens.

2. Any ball will run properly on a green (say for example chipping) if one uses the correct club option and shot selection. I can make a PRO-V1x dance with my sand iron but I can also make it release and roll.

3. What is wrong with throwing tha ball up at the pin with the intention of making it stop on the spot? Sometimes, this shot is required. Sometimes, I will do this shot when the percentage would be to roll the ball. Confidence and the type of greens one is playing plays a factor in this.

4. I am not having a go at your Vision Balls mate as I have never used them. I played golf with some Aussie Tourists the other day (part of my current job) and one guy was using them though. I gave him some Nike Plat+ and Pro-V’s to try as well and which ball performed better for him?
He hit the Nike/Titliest further and was stopping his balls on the greens much better. His handicap was 9 and the course we played has “hard greens” (Caye Chapel in Belize)

Cheers

Cheers

A lot of it has to do with what you have available as consistent
shot choices. The average/majority of golfers have a handicap
of 20 and these players are looking for help in becoming more
consistent and by doing so drop a few shots and play better.

As you become a better player then the tools you need change
as does the ball you need, this allows you to play the shots that you want to or can do plus allow for excessivly hard and fast
greens..

Backing it up can be fun, I mean the last hole in one I had was sucking a 7 iron 15 feet back in the hole on a bit of a down slope.
But that was a while ago and I now need a bit of help in being
a more consistent player due to a lack of play, and my attitude
to what can help the majority of players is where my heads at.

Nice to know Vision balls are getting around.

Yes, those balls have come from Australia via Qantas to a cruise ship and then to South America/Carribbean.

I wish it was me instead on the trip!!! lol :-))

If your interested in joining my international Test Pilot program
just drop me a line as we are now working on our next
generation of designs.

wayne@visiongolfball.com

Catch you Tai.

Thanks Boz but I get my balls/equipment provided to me courtesy of a certain golf company or 2. Good luck on trying to crack the market in the USA or Europe with a test pilot program.. That will be very tough mate as there are so many balls out there for the average player.
Cheers, Tai

Well I got out and gave the ball a good run today. I put it up against the Ad333 and Titelist NxT Tour but only hit shots with the vision from under 100m (for fear of the crows getting my vision!). I thought the vision outperformed the other two, especially how it felt on and around the green. I’ve never been one to get much stop on my chips and so was happy that I was getting consistant amounts of roll with the vision. While I wasn’t getting the ball to back up on full shots (not that I normally do), the ball was still checking up significantly. I feel distancewise, it traveled a bit further than the Ad333 and Nxt-Tour but not much. And today was definately a good day to be out testing because I was on my game! Hit 76 (Par 68) so I was definately hitting the ball sweetly :))

All in all, I believe the Vision is a great ball. Out of my price range for now :( but nonetheless a great ball!

Cheers,
Mr. C

The more I play with these balls the more I like them. Like the expert for its better spin, but like the yellow for its distance, visibility and durability.
Have played 6 rounds with the same yellow ball and it is still in good condition and still plays well, I cant see any reason why i won’t get another 6 rounds with it! These are certainly comparable to any mid range balls from the big names!

OK I tried out the Vision Xpert against a Pro V1.

Distance wise they were very comparable.

In terms of feel the Xpert2 is very soft compared to Pro V1 but you know when you have hit the Pro V1 the Xpert2 is like well you smashed a tomato or marshmallow you do not quite know when impact is/was!

In terms of spin not much in it. My thoughts was that on chips and pitches the Pro V1 has that bouncier check up than the XPert2. The Xpert2 pulled up just as good but it was a lower more settled check up.

The Xpert2 did not get cut up by my GW. It never took the normal 3 cut marks I put on any ball.

One really funny thing was that my permanent texta’s ink would not stick well to the surface of the Xpert2. It comes off any way during play but on the Xpert2 it just did not stick right!!!

Verdict: Performance wise they are similar and it would be up there with similar balls. What would set it apart? Price? look? feel? I think it has to be cheaper for people to switch!

Hey Sid,

The paint job and cover material is super slick, and because
the current enviromentally friendly texta’s don’t have the nasties to help them bite anymore it can be an issue.

Best to mark them with a freezer bag pen the night before you play
as this helps them to take the image.

Mr C,

I am working on some two piece models for next year that might
fall into your price point. Trying to find a name for them at present
- they will be released under the Fantom brand.

The current thought is maybe SO as in SO Long / SO Bright or my current favourite from my youngest son SoWhat! hahahah :-)

I have recently used one of the yella fellas. I actually bought a few which is amazing as I would have over 300 balls at home. I usually play with titlelist, Bridgestone … in fact any good ball I find. With any ball or in fact any golf equipment, when you are off 18 its the players perception that makes the biggest difference. From my experience with the ball it seemed to be as good (and as bad, if only the ball could rectify poor contact) as any other good ball I have used. Whether I keep using it depends on if I can have it in my head that this ball is as good as any other I would use. In reality it probably is but the mind and golf equipment is a funny, often irrational thing.

I’m still waiting for my ball to turn up…. :(

Nige….. wazzup?

Boz, EMD’s = Eat My Dust :)

We like :-)) lol

I’m still waiting for my ball to turn up…. :(

Nige….. wazzup?

Former Top 10 on the PGA Tour ISG Money List.

If it has not turn up by friday, send me a e-mail and I’ll send you another.

Cheers Nigel.

Tracked down some Xpert’s today, a little dissapointed in what was available in the largest Rebel sport store in the city but took half a dozen and they were no longer out of the shop than out of the box..

Took them out for 18 holes at lunch. They are soft and responsive, could get them to stop on a dime and were longer than the HX Tour’s i’ve been hitting. Whether this is because they are better suited to my swing speed I’m not sure, and frankly i don’t care, I’m sold an making the switch.

The most noticable feature was the colouring, what i can only describe as a glittery white coating actually made the ball stand out on the grass and made it seem larger, this gave me the confidence to hit it harder with the driver and pick it cleaner with the irons.

Looking forward to getting the word out, I can see the UV’s appealing to a wide variety of golfers. I play at a course that spends a good majority of the year covered in brown grass and visibility is a huge selling point.

Alot of the golfers at mine and similar clubs could instantly shave two or more strokes of their scores by simply not losing a ball.

Thanks guys for talking it up, if you hadn’t i never would have tried them, anyone thinking about giving them a go.. you won’t be dissapointed.

Thanks Chris,

I have spent three years slowly finding players that want to
believe that there is another way forward in ball design. :-)

We have a so many great players in this part of the world, so
it should not be that far fetched that we could produce some
great golfing equipment and ideas.

The forums have been a great source of energy for me and
my extended family here at Bozgolf.

It’s nice to be able to talk to players no matter what is being said.

Boz,

Just an observation i’ve made, you may be aware but thought i’d put it up for discussion..

I’ve noticed that there is an awful lot of golfers in the 7-12 hcp range that simply buy a ball because of what Tiger might use or what there mates use, they don’t use a ball that will help them, because the brand is more important. Same reason you see alot in this hcp range trying to use muscle back blades.

The contradiction is, alot of these guys near remortgage their homes to buy the latest and greatest golf equipment, just to get down to the lower single digits. Playing a ball that spins to much, using a club with a sweet spot as big as a five cent peice.. I really can’t understand it.. companies like Titleist, Callaway etc must be rubbing their hands together with the income this group generates on elite tour-spec products.

When i was younger i was much the same, i maxed out credit cards etc just to be able to take the latest brand name club out on the course. i used proV1’s on a 19 handicap (generally 2-3 brand new balls around) did they improve my golf, probably not, I’m sure there were balls better suited to meet at that stage.. and i could have had more benefit spending my money on lessons.

I have since woken up and even though i still purchase from these brands I’m still open to new brands which can offer my game the improvements i’m looking for. I pick the technology that is going to improve my game not that which is going to make me feel like a Tour Pro.

Boz, you have a great product.. the packaging, logo’s, technology etc scream top shelf ball.. if you could crack this Hcp bracket i think you are half way there, i also beleive that the guys in this position have the most to gain from your product..

Chris

How do they compare to the Pro V1 in terms of greenside performance aka spin?

Hi Chris,
Thanks for your thoughts and thats the current plan
as I believe we can help this group for sure.

Hi Tom,
We have built the X2 – X-pert with a different type of cover
material, so it will not play with excessive spin on light pitch shots
as I wanted the ball to stop in a consistent manner without the
high spin associated with some of the tour balls.

This ball is actually a drop and stop design on full shots without
trying to backup / suck back.

I believe it will give most players more control.