I am curious to see what single figure players, particularly 7-9, what their stats are for fairways, greens in reg, up and downs, putts.

I am off 5, but at the moment seem to be playing to 7-8 a lot.

Hit about 50% FW
About 10 GIR
33-34 putts
U/D about 40%
S/S around 15%

My short game is the weak point for me.

If you assume that if you miss a green you will hit it in GIR+1 then the formula for score is pretty simple.

Score = Par + (18-GIR) – (36-Putts)

I’m hacking at a 9 level at the moment…here are the average stats from my last 3 games:
FW: 14/18
GIR: 10.33333
Putts: 37.33333
Up and Down: not even worth putting in here
Sand Saves 0/2

I think what will show is the short game will be holding the higher single figure golfers back…I know fr me this is the case, off 9 today and hit the long shots as well as I did when I was off 3…when I was off 3 my short game was right on song. I’m guessing most stats for the handicap bracket you mention will be good for the long game and poor for the short game.

I play off 3 at the moment and shot 74 These are the stats from my last round – Handicap 3 Gross Score 74

FW: 9/14 65%
GIR: 8/18 44%
PUTTS: 28 putts

Up & Down: 7/10 70%

Pretty ordinary but somehow got the job done !!!

I play off 3 at the moment and shot 74 These are the stats from my last round – Handicap 3 Gross Score 74

FW: 9/14 65%
GIR: 8/18 44%
PUTTS: 28 putts

Up & Down: 7/10 70%

Pretty ordinary but somehow got the job done !!!

This is what I mean, I got more GIR, more FW but you have 9 less putts…makes a big difference. short game is key to go from high singles to low single figures…28 putts, is that what you normally hit Flusher?

I usually hit more greens, however I average around 26-32 putts.

The best part of my game is the up & down aspect – I really push myself to get down in two anytime I’m inside 100 metres.

That is the killer area for me…anywhere within 100

My game on the w/end I shot 78, 6 over, off a handicap of 8.

FW – 5/15
GIR – 4/18
up & down – 9/14
putts – 27

Yep same for me live4golf…tend to be pretty solid off the tee but bugger me if i can hit a green at the moment. my chipping has improved a lot lately since i got my new Macgregor m675s. using 9 iron as chip and run and getting a lot closer than i used to. just got to hit more bloody greens!!!!

If you miss the green by say 20 cm or less and take the putter, having a real legitimate go at hole, do you count that as a putt ?

If you miss, but tap in next shot is that counted as up&down,with first putt equal to a chip and then count 1 putt ?

I assume that if you count this as 2 putts then it would also count as a GIR.

I used to count these fringe shots as putts, but was told by a playing partner they do not count, amazing how many more 1 putts I have recorded in the last 3 weeks.

I guess the same could be said about fairways, Do you count it if it richochettes of a tree into the middle of the faiway? If you are 1 metre from the green after two on a par five, chip on and two putt.. do you fail to add it as a missed up and down??
I tend to take stats as a guide only as they will be slightly inaccurate, If you take stats over alot of rounds the error’s don’t have as much impact and it gives you a clearer picture of how you actually hit it.

My game on the w/end I shot 78, 6 over, off a handicap of 8.

FW – 5/15
GIR – 4/18
up & down – 9/14
putts – 27

the greens you missed were maybe just off as you have a good up & down. Good score considering the lack of gir and fw.

I am off 5, but at the moment seem to be playing to 7-8 a lot.

Hit about 50% FW
About 10 GIR
33-34 putts
U/D about 40%
S/S around 15%

My short game is the weak point for me.

If you assume that if you miss a green you will hit it in GIR+1 then the formula for score is pretty simple.

Score = Par + (18-GIR) – (36-Putts)

down and out…did ya get that?

Toolish mate, you need to get more precise about those figures.

I play off 3 (2.7) and my key stats are:

FW – 34%
GIR – 47%
Putts – 29.25
Sand saves – 49%
Birdie Conversion – 27%
Par scramble – 51%
Penalties per round – 0.18

According to the program I use my driving stats are about a 19 handicap, my GIR a 5 handicap, Putts – 3, Sand saves – 2, birdie conversion scratch, par scramles are 2 and penalties scratch.

Those figures cover 28 rounds.

Interestingly, my GIR jumps to 62% when I hit more fairways.

For the three putters out there, I average 0.93 3 putts per round.

A good stats program can really help your game. From my stats I know that if I hit more fairways, I’ll hit more greens. If my GIR putting average stays the same my scoring average will drop.

I don’t see how anyone serious about their game can afford to be without this sort of tool.

what stats program are you using Styles?

I’m not endorsing it and hopefully admin don’t see this as advertising but it is Scoresaver2

Score saver

There is a free trial version

If you miss the green by say 20 cm or less and take the putter, having a real legitimate go at hole, do you count that as a putt ?

I count putts over a small distance of fringe as putts, not up and down attempts. I also count it as a GIR.

As a consequence my putting average is higher than it might otherwise be, and my GIRs also slightly higher.

I just can’t see the point in pretending I’ve missed a green, when I have a pretty regulation 2 putt for par, or even a good shot at birdie.

I guess the same could be said about fairways, Do you count it if it richochettes of a tree into the middle of the faiway? If you are 1 metre from the green after two on a par five, chip on and two putt.. do you fail to add it as a missed up and down??

I count the chip onto the par 5 as both (i) a GIR and (ii) a missed up and down attempt. The fact that it was up and down for birdie is irrelevant, I had a good chance of getting the ball in the hole in two and I blew it.

The ricochets off trees (and fences and buildings and freeways…)are an interesting one, I tend to take them when i get them, because it’s balanced by the times you smoke a drive and it gets a weird kick and goes sideways into the rough.

BTW, the primary difference I can see between my stats and low markers is GIR – I reckon that’s the real key to scoring, as long as your short game isn’t spectacularly bad.

(NB. GIR is influenced by the # of fairways hit as well. If you hit drives into the rough, but drive it long enough so that you only have a wedge onto the green, that will render the missed fairway a bit irrelevant too.)

Anyone else doing the challenge on golfdigest? – www.golfdigest.com\challenge fairly basic sort of scoring but splits your score into a long and short game handicap…anyway after 5 rounds I have a short game handicap of 16 and a long game handicap of 3. Good to see where you are deficient. Currently I have a long game handicap of 5 and a short game of 11.

Muntz, I find the FW hit a bit irrelevant most of the time and I do it a bit differently than the fairway I am on…there are a couple of holes on my course I aim for another fairway for a better angle at the green…if I hit it on the other fairway I count it as a FW hit, If I aim for my fairway and hit it onto another fairway it is NOT a FW hit…not sure of everone does it this way.

Agree with your comment about FWs.

Maybe we should measure how often we have a decent shot at the green. If the ball is sitting in the first cut of rough 100m from the pin, I’m always going to be happy with that.

Muntz,

I just go with what they would do on tour, a missed green is a missed green, a missed FW is a missed FW. What you lose in your GIR you gain in your scrambling.

I believe you have to do it that way or else you could end up saying “Well I left it on the lip which is almost as good as holing it”

- I’m not saying you do this though!

Do you count it as a hit fairway if it wasn’t the one you were aiming at :))

Muntz,

I just go with what they would do on tour, a missed green is a missed green, a missed FW is a missed FW. What you lose in your GIR you gain in your scrambling.

But surely stats are only useful insofar as they reveal something meaningful. Missing the fairway by 1 cm all day might give you 0% FW – but you might actually be driving superbly.

Missing a putt by 1 cm is always a miss.

You have a point Muntz, but I like to keep things simple and judge it as on or off. If you’re happy with your method keep at it.

If you’re driving it superbly, I would doubt you would miss that many fairways in any case.

The guy that wrote the program for the system I use would tell you that its only once you get into high double figures of scores recorded that the stats are able to give you real insight in any case.

Styles…does score saver have a section for up and downs…looking at the round entry screenshot it seems not?