Exactly stink and we couldn’t play with a mallet putter. Damn the R&A , miserable lot.

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Here hear heir Razz!

Just 2 examples of putting stats

Player Year Strokes Gained Ranking
Ernie Els 2009 -0.391 155th
2013 0.657 27th

Adam Scott 2010 -0.746 186th
2013 0.102 77th

A very small (and therefore, misleading) sample there Max. Remember the 3 types of lies => lies, damned lies and statistics.

This argument is getting beyond stupid, pro golfers make money for getting the ball in the hole in the least amount of strokes.

Some pros, not all, think they get the ball in the hole when anchored in less strokes.

Putting is about confidence, anchored putting obviously gives Els and Scott that necessary ingredient, confidence.

According to them, pfft, what would they know?

TTR u r an absolute dribbler.

Give me some stats that prove anchoring doesn’t improve putting / putting stats since you keep harping on about proof.

TTR u r an absolute dribbler.

78.92% of statistics are made up.

In most parts of Australia, if you occupy someelse’s land for 30yrs then legally you get to keep it.

I can’t see what it has to go.

Stink, can start another poll. Is all this talk of banning anchoring gay?
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Give me some stats that prove anchoring doesn’t improve putting / putting stats since you keep harping on about proof.

The onus is on those seeking a ban on anchored putting on the basis that it provides an advantage => to provide the evidence in support of their assertion. Not the other way round. Nice try.

If they ban it then its illegal and is proof it’s of no advantage as you can’t do it! So, by banning it there would be proof that it simply doesn’t help you.

Should unite this long putter thread with longest travelled ball,goes on +on+on+on….lol

If the R & A ban anchoring (cheating) then that is the new rule and everyone should abide by it.

Last time I checked the uspga tour doen’t run the game of golf.

You know, this is a very subjective thing. Twenty-five to thirty years ago you look at anchoring, long putters, everybody has an opinion, the USGA approved it twice. Our view is—I think if there’s one thing that would prevail across a lot of players and a lot of board members is that it’s been around for a generation, and the game of golf has done quite well. So unless you have a compelling reason to change it, you shouldn’t, and the USGA has indicated there is no performance advantage to using anchoring.
So on that basis, and given the fallout that occurs with amateurs and the fallout that occurs with players like Webb and Keegan and others who have grown up with the process, there are negatives.
Our players from day one have sort of said—and we have players that want to see the ban, too, but again, it’s a subjective decision. But most players are saying, listen, without a significant upside and no competitive advantage, let’s don’t do it.

I very much like what Finchem had to say.

... and I use a short putter.

Give me some stats that prove anchoring doesn’t improve putting / putting stats since you keep harping on about proof.

The onus is on those seeking a ban on anchored putting on the basis that it provides an advantage => to provide the evidence in support of their assertion. Not the other way round. Nice try.

The USGA was careful to avoid the advantage tag, they have the authority in conjunction with the R&A to ban whatever they please.

Remember the square grooves ban?

This will come down to whether the US PGA will do the right thing and has the balls to stand up to the minority of players who anchor.

TTR – has anchoring helped you?

Pointless argument going round in circles.

You know, this is a very subjective thing. Twenty-five to thirty years ago you look at anchoring, long putters, everybody has an opinion, the USGA approved it twice. Our view is—I think if there’s one thing that would prevail across a lot of players and a lot of board members is that it’s been around for a generation, and the game of golf has done quite well. So unless you have a compelling reason to change it, you shouldn’t, and the USGA has indicated there is no performance advantage to using anchoring.
So on that basis, and given the fallout that occurs with amateurs and the fallout that occurs with players like Webb and Keegan and others who have grown up with the process, there are negatives.
Our players from day one have sort of said—and we have players that want to see the ban, too, but again, it’s a subjective decision. But most players are saying, listen, without a significant upside and no competitive advantage, let’s don’t do it.

I very much like what Finchem had to say.

... and I use a short putter.

Have you only ever used a short putter?

If they ban it then its illegal and is proof it’s of no advantage as you can’t do it! So, by banning it there would be proof that it simply doesn’t help you.

What is this golf game you talk of?

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

Sad thing is I understand this

You know, this is a very subjective thing. Twenty-five to thirty years ago you look at anchoring, long putters, everybody has an opinion, the USGA approved it twice. Our view is—I think if there’s one thing that would prevail across a lot of players and a lot of board members is that it’s been around for a generation, and the game of golf has done quite well. So unless you have a compelling reason to change it, you shouldn’t, and the USGA has indicated there is no performance advantage to using anchoring.
So on that basis, and given the fallout that occurs with amateurs and the fallout that occurs with players like Webb and Keegan and others who have grown up with the process, there are negatives.
Our players from day one have sort of said—and we have players that want to see the ban, too, but again, it’s a subjective decision. But most players are saying, listen, without a significant upside and no competitive advantage, let’s don’t do it.

I very much like what Finchem had to say.

... and I use a short putter.

Have you only ever used a short putter?

Anchoring is cheating.

Relevance? It doesn’t matter whether I use a bladed wedge for putting.

You know, this is a very subjective thing. Twenty-five to thirty years ago you look at anchoring, long putters, everybody has an opinion, the USGA approved it twice. Our view is—I think if there’s one thing that would prevail across a lot of players and a lot of board members is that it’s been around for a generation, and the game of golf has done quite well. So unless you have a compelling reason to change it, you shouldn’t, and the USGA has indicated there is no performance advantage to using anchoring.
So on that basis, and given the fallout that occurs with amateurs and the fallout that occurs with players like Webb and Keegan and others who have grown up with the process, there are negatives.
Our players from day one have sort of said—and we have players that want to see the ban, too, but again, it’s a subjective decision. But most players are saying, listen, without a significant upside and no competitive advantage, let’s don’t do it.

I very much like what Finchem had to say.

... and I use a short putter.

Have you only ever used a short putter?

Anchoring is cheating.

Relevance? It doesn’t matter whether I use a bladed wedge for putting.

Just getting the full picture for the background leading up to your opinion.

Just 2 examples of putting stats

Player Year Strokes Gained Ranking
Ernie Els 2009 0.391 155th
2013 0.657 27th

Adam Scott 2010 -0.746 186th
2013 0.102 77th

maybe they are just hitting their irons closer?
players at that stage of their career can always immeasureably improve their iron play with a different putter in their bag.
Pure unsubstantiated speculation

hahaha!!

Have you come here to play Jesus, with the leopards in your head

You don’t understand the stroke gain stat

The new “strokes gained-putting” stat measures the number of putts a golfer takes relative to the PGA Tour average, taking into account the initial putt distance on each green. In 2010 Luke Donald led the Tour with 0.871 strokes gained. That means in each round, he gained an average of 0.871 strokes on the field just from his superior putting ability. Here’s how the stat is computed. Suppose, for example, a golfer one-putts from 33 feet. The Tour average to hole-out from that distance is 2.0 putts, so a one-putt gains one putt on the field. A two-putt neither gains nor loses, but a three-putt represents a loss of one putt (or stroke) against the field.

They are putting better, it has nothing to do with how close they hit the iron to the hole.

Play it as it lies, get on with it, its not life or death, its just a game!

apologies team, everyone knows about my illintelligence generally but I did know how they calculate the stats. I was just trying to help TTR find some other hard evidence to go towards his very healthy stock of reasons why he is spot on about whatever it is that he has said correctly.
Cause I am with him on this one, the two randomly chosen professionals who have been playing the game for a little while and have suddenly improved their putting has nothing to do with the purely conincindental putter change. These stats lie, that’s a fact

Go TTR, you’ve got them now!!

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This will come down to whether the US PGA will do the right thing and has the balls to stand up to the minority of players who anchor.

The PGA Tour is a “members” organisation so hence the “members” would have voted on this subject. So this decision is coming from the players that must have agreed strongly enough to not ban them?

PGA Tour site
“The PGA TOUR is a tax-exempt membership organization of professional golfers. The mission of the PGA TOUR is to expand domestically and internationally to substantially increase player financial benefits while maintaining its commitment to the integrity of the game.”

If the R & A ban anchoring (cheating) then that is the new rule and everyone should abide by it.

Last time I checked the uspga tour doen’t run the game of golf.

Its not cheating if the rules allow it.

Madam – they do not have a committment to the integrity of the game with their current stance opposing the ruling bodies

The US PGA tour relies on the public watching the product and thus attracting sponsors. If the public vote that they don’t want anchoring by their attendance and tv viewing the US PGA will quickly change its mind.

Do note the European Tour has taken no public stance on the matter, this is a few spoilt US PGA players that are being protected becasue the majority of tour players do not want to offend. (somethink like it could have been my career threatened)

Tiger was interviewed yesterday and said the putting stoke should be a swing. ie no anchoring

It will be intersting to see if the respective bodies reach a compromise or get lawyered up.

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Well there is a conflict of interest there…

”...increase player financial benefits..” – Only happens if you win/make cuts (will anchoring players be in contention)

”...the integrity of the game.” – What this whole debate is about…

Madam – they do not have a committment to the integrity of the game with their current stance opposing the ruling bodies

The US PGA tour relies on the public watching the product and thus attracting sponsors. If the public vote that they don’t want anchoring by their attendance and tv viewing the US PGA will quickly change its mind.

Do note the European Tour has taken no public stance on the matter, this is a few spoilt US PGA players that are being protected becasue the majority of tour players do not want to offend. (somethink like it could have been my career threatened)

Tiger was interviewed yesterday and said the putting stoke should be a swing. ie no anchoring

It will be intersting to see if the respective bodies reach a compromise or get lawyered up.

Play it as it lies, get on with it, its not life or death, its just a game!

YES It will be interesting to see the fall out, if any- Its a tricky situation as this thread fully shows.

My point was the players are the ones deciding. Will players boycott their own tour over it? Do you think spectators are really going to care much about it?

I did read Euro Tour was speculated to be siding with governing bodies, which would really make it an interesting topic.

PS: Im still stuck on which side of the fence to stand.

Madam – they do not have a committment to the integrity of the game with their current stance opposing the ruling bodies

The US PGA tour relies on the public watching the product and thus attracting sponsors. If the public vote that they don’t want anchoring by their attendance and tv viewing the US PGA will quickly change its mind.

Do note the European Tour has taken no public stance on the matter, this is a few spoilt US PGA players that are being protected becasue the majority of tour players do not want to offend. (somethink like it could have been my career threatened)

Tiger was interviewed yesterday and said the putting stoke should be a swing. ie no anchoring

It will be intersting to see if the respective bodies reach a compromise or get lawyered up.

Play it as it lies, get on with it, its not life or death, its just a game!

YES It will be interesting to see the fall out, if any- Its a tricky situation as this thread fully shows.

My point was the players are the ones deciding. Will players boycott their own tour over it? Do you think spectators are really going to care much about it?

I did read Euro Tour was speculated to be siding with governing bodies, which would really make it an interesting topic.

PS: Im still stuck on which side of the fence to stand.

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Join us in the banning camp Madam. We have integrity on our side.