After Mynah Birds outragous claim of cheating, I pondered the thought what actually is a cheat and what is the intended outcome of cheating.

Now here is the situation.

Your in a group of golfers, 2 of which are very low makers and good golfers, PB and Ross, a 3rd who is off about 18. 2 of the 3 in the group at some stage prior to me lost a ball in the fairway rough, on all those occasions a ball was dropped down and penalty taken and moved on.

Now I lose a ball off the tee same as others in group did earlier. Whilst looking PB says might need to drop down another mate and get out of here, we look a bit further, another says mate drop one down and take a penalty. The group in front comes up the fairway and they too say though I am not sure who as I didn’t know their names, easy to lose them in here today we;ve lost a few, drop one down and keep going.

So if every one in our group knew I dropped one down and took a penalty as directed, am I cheating??

To me cheating is taking an advantage without others knowingly writing down an incorrect score. Or kicking a ball to a better position.

Doing what all in your group and other players tell you do you and taking the penalty is not cheating?

Is it??

Maybe you should try this in the rules thread.

yes its cheating…......the rule book

should have hit pro ball off the tee….easy

Also ask at clubhouse for R&A rule book. It’s free. You’ll be surprised how many rulings will work in your favor and you’ll have something to refer to if in doubt. Most clubs have a pile behind the counter.

So hitting a provisional would cover it,

Ok given the rough which wasn’t long just hard to see a ball, that would have seen 2 ppl hit PV on alot of tees as you were never sure if you were going to find your ball even though it may have only been 1 foot off the fairway??

Is that a realsitic thing to do, given you know roughly were it went into the rough but you had no gaurantee you would actually find it, as happened a few times.

Should you consider hitting a PV on every hole that you miss a fairway even if only by a few feet?

Is that what your saying?

Yes. Best thing to do because if you do lose your ball you don’t have to walk back to the tee to play your drop.

If you put this in the rules thread they’ll have actual ruling. Eg. Rule 1a section 3….....

in a social round u could get away with it ,,but comps u have to play the rules .. u know its not right and u have let the others get away with it also so all of you should be dq,d .. think about the guys thats gone out an played his arse of and has lost on a countback to you when you knowingly took a drop when u should have hit a provisional..or likewise for you other group members,, hit a provisional or wipe the hole .. simple and no nasty accusations after the fact !

AB I understand the rule, however this is specifically about being told what to do by many or cheating. How can i be cheating if I do as others tell me?

If I do what everyone tells me to do am I cheating thats the million dollar question.

GCG mate, are you playing in an official comp? If so, then yep, it’s cheating.

If not, and just a social day, then drop away, enjoy yourself and keep the pace of play up…

AB I understand the rule, however this is specifically about being told what to do by many or cheating. How can i be cheating if I do as others tell me?

If I do what everyone tells me to do am I cheating thats the million dollar question.

Had a bad day today only holed 2 wedges

whats my handicap?? I am off +1 at the range.

I’ve been told I am a cross between Norman and Woods, The Great White Tiger.

doesnt matter what they say.. if u al go into the pro shop afterwards and ask the same question you will/ should all be dq,d .. u know the rule and u have already answered your own question.. what other people say has no bearing if u know they are wrong.. thats a pretty basic rule as well unless it goes into a water hazard etc

If you run a marathon and 5 people including yourself jump on a bus for 3 km it’s ok and not cheating because they did it to? Golf is a self ruling sport. You decide and live with the consequence. Personally I’m out to beat my score. If I get a score two strokes better than last week but played against the rules I’ve only cheated myself.
I found learning the rules interesting and rewarding….sometimes disappointing. I did similar to you in a comp and got told of my error and took a wipe. Next time I’ll take a provisional. Just another golf lesson.

The trouble for GCG is with no H/cap he can’t take a wipe and record a score, with the amount of interest in his round he had to do/have something to report or the Roof would have been lifted off the building…

GCG, it’s against the rules so it’s cheating, BUT, in a social round every person here would have done the same at some stage in their golf life and anyone who says different is kidding themselves.

In a Comp round it’s a HUGE no no, get a bloody h/cap and you can avoid the dramas, take a wipe and move on.

rule 27-1c Ball Lost or Out of Bounds

Ball not found within five minutes

“If a ball is lost as a result of not being found or identified as his by the player within five minutes after the player’s side or his or their caddies have begun to search for it, the player must play a ball, under penalty of one stroke,as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played”

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 27-1
Match play- loss of hole; Stoke play-Two strokes.

there is nothing wrong with hitting a pro ball off the tee on every tee shot if you go into the rough…..just dont expect to be playing in that group on another occasion if you keep doing it all day

The penalty for a lost ball is strokes AND distance, dropping a ball near where you think it was isn’t cheating though, it’s ignorance. You were in a social round, PB knew it didn’t make sense to send you back to the tee, he was just as keen for the first beer as everyone else.

The point is. Cheating is Knowingly breaking the rules. When playing a Social round the Group members decide what rules you are playing to. If they say take a drop . Then do so.
Just remember that the Final score is not realy accurate,.
Do the same thing in Competition & No problem. You will be DisQualified.

After Mynah Birds outragous claim of cheating, I pondered the thought what actually is a cheat and what is the intended outcome of cheating.

Now here is the situation.

Your in a group of golfers, 2 of which are very low makers and good golfers, PB and Ross, a 3rd who is off about 18. 2 of the 3 in the group at some stage prior to me lost a ball in the fairway rough, on all those occasions a ball was dropped down and penalty taken and moved on.

Now I lose a ball off the tee same as others in group did earlier. Whilst looking PB says might need to drop down another mate and get out of here, we look a bit further, another says mate drop one down and take a penalty. The group in front comes up the fairway and they too say though I am not sure who as I didn’t know their names, easy to lose them in here today we;ve lost a few, drop one down and keep going.

So if every one in our group knew I dropped one down and took a penalty as directed, am I cheating??

To me cheating is taking an advantage without others knowingly writing down an incorrect score. Or kicking a ball to a better position.

Doing what all in your group and other players tell you do you and taking the penalty is not cheating?

Is it??

Had a bad day today only holed 2 wedges

whats my handicap?? I am off +1 at the range.

I’ve been told I am a cross between Norman and Woods, The Great White Tiger.

there are a couple of occasions this would be ok provided the marker witnessed it

1. the ball went OOB…this area should be marked on card
2. ball enters a lateral water hazard

if it was simply long grass and participating in a comp then yeah thats cheating and they ought to be strung up, if a social round with grandpa then yeah probaby ok. I could have missed some minor detail above so please rules nazis jump in and help me

After Mynah Birds outragous claim of cheating, I pondered the thought what actually is a cheat and what is the intended outcome of cheating.

Now here is the situation.

Your in a group of golfers, 2 of which are very low makers and good golfers, PB and Ross, a 3rd who is off about 18. 2 of the 3 in the group at some stage prior to me lost a ball in the fairway rough, on all those occasions a ball was dropped down and penalty taken and moved on.

Now I lose a ball off the tee same as others in group did earlier. Whilst looking PB says might need to drop down another mate and get out of here, we look a bit further, another says mate drop one down and take a penalty. The group in front comes up the fairway and they too say though I am not sure who as I didn’t know their names, easy to lose them in here today we;ve lost a few, drop one down and keep going.

So if every one in our group knew I dropped one down and took a penalty as directed, am I cheating??

To me cheating is taking an advantage without others knowingly writing down an incorrect score. Or kicking a ball to a better position.

Doing what all in your group and other players tell you do you and taking the penalty is not cheating?

Is it??

Had a bad day today only holed 2 wedges

whats my handicap?? I am off +1 at the range.

I’ve been told I am a cross between Norman and Woods, The Great White Tiger.

there are a couple of occasions this would be ok provided the marker witnessed it

1. the ball went OOB…this area should be marked on card
2. ball enters a lateral water hazard

if it was simply long grass and participating in a comp then yeah thats cheating and they ought to be strung up, if a social round with grandpa then yeah probaby ok. I could have missed some minor detail above so please rules nazis jump in and help me

we can stay here and get the shit kicked out of us
or
we can fight our way back into the light. We can climb out of hell.
One inch, at a time.

im pretty sure if u hit a ball out of bounds then its reload from original spot, if ball enteres a hazard then you can only drop if you can identify point of entry with your playing partners, thats if u can not retrieve or find the ball .. i think !

Good one pom, I agree with what you say.
It was a social round of golf and I will say that there would not be one person on this forum who when having a practice or social round does things during their round that would normally invoke a penalty in a comp. game.
Some members here are making mountains out of a molehills, carrying on about him cheating. Under the prevailing circumstance, at the time, it was the simplest and best thing to do to save time.

Basically here we have a situation of trying to save face and be seen to not be a cheat.

As has been well pointed out, it was a social round, so it does not matter in regards to the official rules and is more about the social day.

On a comp day, you would need to replay the shot from the original position, this goes the same for FW shots etc, even putts if you putt like me.

You didn’t cheat GCG, it’s ok, you and the rest of us know you were labelled that due to a rift between you and other ISG members, that’s pretty bloody clear.

Get over it. Get an official HC. Then come and talk to us about your scores. Till then you are a +1 range player, which is better than a darn sight here, including me, but no one really cares about the range :)

Kiwi and AB just have a bone to pick with me, kiwi has been seething since I came back, I’ve even offered to send him some tissues or some concrete to HTFU.

It’s definitely cheating if someone did this and then claimed a legitimate score at the end of the round.

One might maintain some credibility if they added two strokes in this instance. But any accomplished golfer would already know what the rule is, like someone with a 4 handicap.

Yeah that helps the situation heaps, good to see you trying to get along.

Everyone really appreciates the effort you’ve put in to the place and the respect you have for the people here.

And please don’t say they started it. Whatever the situation, it takes two to Tango, and no one is helping the situation least of all you.

But I digress, and I’ve said more than five words which will upset some.

It’s definitely cheating if someone did this and then claimed a legitimate score at the end of the round.

One might maintain some credibility if they added two strokes in this instance. But any accomplished golfer would already know what the rule is, like someone with a 4 handicap.

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Good point, wonder what the penalty was?

What shot did you play from the dropped ball? 4th?

i must have missed something because i cant see anywhere where gcg has stated wether it was comp or social !