Ok here’s what happened. Played with this guy on saturday and he had 40 points, his hcp
was 7.8 went down to 7.2 because the ccr is always 70. Golflink is offline saturday night
so on sunday when he plays again his hcp is still 8, has 39 on sunday playing off 8 and wins the comp. So my question is, is he a cheat. He knew his hcp would be 7 on sunday, but didn’t say anything to the pro when his card was printed. I think morally he’s cheated, he won on a countback.I don’t have anything against this bloke, but i think if you know your hcp is lower, you play off the new hcp even though Golflink has’nt made it official. So let’s have some other opinions.

Cheers SB

Yes, cheat…and should be DQ’d. Were his playing partners aware that his HC should have changed?

Even though the website was down I am surprised the handicap portion wasn’t working, isn’t this still controled by the home club?

L4G, played with him sat and sun didn’t mark his card either day, only realised what he had done when i checked golflink sun night.
Golflink didn’t come back on till lunch time sunday

karma will get him

Someone else told me the website was down but everything else was working, appears not, otherwise his card would have said 7.

As I would have had my usual 30 points, it wouldn’t have mattered but to win and not say anything is poor form.

Is he a cheat, mmmm, pretty strong term. Not all blokes know how the handicapping system works but a guy off 8 should have more idea. The type of behaviour would make me think twice about putting my name on the sheet with him.

tough call, I am lucky to live within 45 minutes of a dozen courses, some are very efficient at entering scores, some can take up to a week, leaving you to wait for a handicap adjustment either way

Let’s just say he works with numbers and he knows how the hcp system works. It can work in reverse too, get .1 back hcp goes out 1, golflink not working, pro prints out your card, says 7 you know it should be 8. Do you play off 7 or 8?

jaybee59,

This is on consecutive days at his home club, morally he has cheated and cheated the other guy who had 39pts out of a $40 voucher

On every course I have played the CCR will change depending on scores entered, Sometimes my handicap has not changed before the next round but who am I to determine if I should drop 0.3 or 0.6.
I will always approach the pro and have been told to play off previous Hcap, Usually they will have updated by the time I finish the round and then adjust the days score accordingly.
But if not, well, its out of my hands.
Not sure how the CCR can stay they same every day, must have very consistent golfers.

Cheat…did he win the Holden Scramble too? They bring all the hcp “manipulators” out

Wormy,

There is a few members of Shortland Waters on this forum and i’m sure they can verifiy that the ccr is ALWAYS 70

now you have me worried, playing Tuesday comp early on another course, scored 41 points Saturday at home, yet due to the golflink outage and the long weekend my score has not been entered into goflink, sitting on 15.8, depending on CCR I will drop to 15 or 14 ( I think ), I plan to explain this to the pro where I am playing and will be guided by his advice ??? any advice,

perhaps i check golflink after my round and use that handicap

Shouldn’t have the match committee made sure that handicaps were adjusted? If Golflink was down shouldn’t they have made manual adjustments?

Shouldn’t have the match committee made sure that handicaps were adjusted? If Golflink was down shouldn’t they have made manual adjustments?

Maybe but are you saying you would have taken the voucher? The match committee aren’t out there when a twig moves your ball and you call a penalty on yourself

In the days before Golflink weren’t you obliged to inform those running the competition of any adjustments applicable to your handicap from competitions at other courses or be disquallified, this is no different.

Before Golflink the rule at our club was that you played off the H,cap posted on the H,cap board. So what is being said o this thread is that all players should know how the H,cap system works & if the system is down they should do thier own H,capping. Possibly so but i guarantee that there are plenty of weekend Comp Golfers that do not know how the system works & are happy toplay pff whatever H,cap is posted.
Sorry but IMO he should not be called a cheat. Unless a member of the Match committee calculates the H,caps all players should play off whatever H,caps are posted at the time the comp starts.

Wormy,

There is a few members of Shortland Waters on this forum and i’m sure they can verifiy that the ccr is ALWAYS 70

DON’T PLAY TOO MUCH GOLF. 2 ROUNDS A DAY IS PLENTY
HARRY VARDON

I was just saying what i have seen at every club I have played at, theres no need to shout just because yours is different.

confront the bloke

Sorry Wormy, wasn’t shouting at you. Shortland is a fairly easy course and the ccr is always 1 easier.
Generally most clubs are connected to golflink and match committees have nothing to do with hcp adjustments. This bloke knew his hcp was lower on sunday and didn’t say anything, usually i wouldn’t give a f**k but he won the comp.

Sorry Wormy, wasn’t shouting at you. Shortland is a fairly easy course and the ccr is always 1 easier.
Generally most clubs are connected to golflink and match committees have nothing to do with hcp adjustments. This bloke knew his hcp was lower on sunday and didn’t say anything, usually i wouldn’t give a f**k but he won the comp.

DON’T PLAY TOO MUCH GOLF. 2 ROUNDS A DAY IS PLENTY
HARRY VARDON

Yep, “A” grade lowlife. If you speak to anyone involved with handicapping they’ll tell you that you should play off what you think you’re on, not what the computer tells you. If you’ve had a round which you’re almost positive has reduced your handicap then you play off the “new” handicap. Any one on 8 should know this. End of story.

From the handicapping system rules…

“PLAYER COMPETES IN A COMPETITION ROUND BEFORE A PREVIOUS HANDICAP-ALTERING SCORE IS
PROCESSED
In a situation where a player competes in a competition round before a previous handicap-altering score is processed, their
correct Australian Men’s Handicap will be that displayed by either GOLF Link or (for clubs not operating within the GOLF Link
system) such other display item as designated by their Home Club (even if they are aware of what their new handicap will
be).
Additionally, the Committee in charge of a competition may require a player to play off the figure their new handicap will be,
even if their handicap is yet to be officially adjusted. A Committee may also adjust a player’s handicap and net score after
the player has submitted their score card in a stroke play competition – in such an instance, the listing of the incorrect
handicap is considered to be a Committee error and consequently the player is not penalised. (In a match play competition,
a player’s handicap may not be altered after their round has commenced – any queries regarding a player’s handicap must
be raised with the club handicap manager/Committee prior to the commencement of the player’s round.)”

I read that as being up to the Committee to modify his handicap, not the player.

So, technically not a cheat. But I agree it’s poor form not withstanding.

Sorry Wormy, wasn’t shouting at you. Shortland is a fairly easy course and the ccr is always 1 easier.
Generally most clubs are connected to golflink and match committees have nothing to do with hcp adjustments. This bloke knew his hcp was lower on sunday and didn’t say anything, usually i wouldn’t give a f**k but he won the comp.

DON’T PLAY TOO MUCH GOLF. 2 ROUNDS A DAY IS PLENTY
HARRY VARDON

Yep, “A” grade lowlife. If you speak to anyone involved with handicapping they’ll tell you that you should play off what you think you’re on, not what the computer tells you. If you’ve had a round which you’re almost positive has reduced your handicap then you play off the “new” handicap. Any one on 8 should know this. End of story.

I have had cards to be processed with 2 handicaps noted 7/8 and scores adjusted where necessary. Golfer usually tells me or person doing the book that had a good round at X and their handicap should be adjusted. Before correct weight is announced a quick check on GolfLink to ascertain correct handicap, job done and no embarrassment to anyone.

SB,

Why do you say that the bloke knew his handicap should have been 7? Did he tell you? A lot of blokes don’t know how the handicap system works and a lot of them don’t care.

It is pretty harsh to suggest a bloke is a cheat. He followed the rules as clearly stated by Golf Australia. Doesn’t matter that his handicap was likely to come down. At the time of the comp, his correct handicap was the old handicap. A lucky break doesn’t make you a cheat.

From the handicapping system rules…

“PLAYER COMPETES IN A COMPETITION ROUND BEFORE A PREVIOUS HANDICAP-ALTERING SCORE IS
PROCESSED
In a situation where a player competes in a competition round before a previous handicap-altering score is processed, their
correct Australian Men’s Handicap will be that displayed by either GOLF Link or (for clubs not operating within the GOLF Link
system) such other display item as designated by their Home Club (even if they are aware of what their new handicap will
be).
Additionally, the Committee in charge of a competition may require a player to play off the figure their new handicap will be,
even if their handicap is yet to be officially adjusted. A Committee may also adjust a player’s handicap and net score after
the player has submitted their score card in a stroke play competition – in such an instance, the listing of the incorrect
handicap is considered to be a Committee error and consequently the player is not penalised. (In a match play competition,
a player’s handicap may not be altered after their round has commenced – any queries regarding a player’s handicap must
be raised with the club handicap manager/Committee prior to the commencement of the player’s round.)”

I read that as being up to the Committee to modify his handicap, not the player.

So, technically not a cheat. But I agree it’s poor form not withstanding.

It’s surprisingly easy to hole a 50-foot putt when you lie 10.

well…there ya go…I stand corrected…...it’s not exactly what my club handicapper told me when I was in an almost identical situation…..guess it depends on who you talk to.

SB,

Why do you say that the bloke knew his handicap should have been 7? Did he tell you? A lot of blokes don’t know how the handicap system works and a lot of them don’t care.

It is pretty harsh to suggest a bloke is a cheat. He followed the rules as clearly stated by Golf Australia. Doesn’t matter that his handicap was likely to come down. At the time of the comp, his correct handicap was the old handicap. A lucky break doesn’t make you a cheat.

I only said he morally cheated, then asked for others opinions. Interesting to note you only made your post after Shortstuff had posted the official rule. Not everyone is aware of what their actual hcp is but imo they should.